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Bloomberg Not So Popular With The Smoking Ban (My Words)
The New York Times ^ | 2 October 2002

Posted on 10/03/2002 9:31:08 AM PDT by SheLion

Relations between Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg and some members of the City Council have deteriorated to such an extent that Council leaders are warning that the mayor's prized antismoking legislation may be in jeopardy.

From the beginning, Mr. Bloomberg has made it clear that extending the city's antismoking law to small restaurants, bars and bar areas was a deeply held personal policy goal, like gaining control of the school system. But although the administration quietly lined up support from a few council members before introducing the proposal, the speaker, Gifford Miller, has yet to sign on.

Relations between Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg and some members of the City Council have deteriorated to such an extent that Council leaders are warning that the mayor's prized antismoking legislation may be in jeopardy.
Publicly, Council leaders say they are simply waiting for hearings and opinions from all interested parties before enacting a potentially sweeping law. "We're in the process of reviewing the legislation — there are some members who support it, there are other members who have concerns," Mr. Miller said yesterday. "What you try to do in this case is to strike the right balance, and you can't do that without having a thoughtful and deliberative process."

But privately, council members and their aides say that the growing resentment over the way Mr. Bloomberg approached the issue could stand in the way of the bill's passing.

"There is definitely a feeling that he's not handled this well," said one council member, speaking on condition of anonymity. "He's a true believer and can't recognize that many people, for valid reasons, might not be."

Council aides have complained of impatient demands from the administration for hearings on the smoking bill and threats that the mayor would campaign against members who did not support the proposal.

And Mr. Bloomberg is taking the unusual step of recording radio ads produced by the Health Department in support of his bill, a move that is not sitting well with the Council. Asked about using the ads to promote his legislative agenda, Mr. Bloomberg said: "I don't know what legislative agenda you're talking about. If you mean saving people's lives, that is the Health Department's purpose. That's why they're there."

Some council members said that the fate of the measure, whether it passes, fails or is watered down, will depend in large part on how Mr. Bloomberg is getting along with Mr. Miller.

"If Gifford were to sign off on it, it would go," said another council member, also on condition of anonymity. "I think this bill is predicated solely on the relationship between Gifford and the mayor."

The relationship between the two may still be a work in progress, but it already differs sharply from the one forged between the speaker and the mayor during the the last administration. Although they were often natural adversaries, Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani and Peter F. Vallone, who was the speaker, had a close relationship and frequently hammered out a legislative agenda at their meetings each Wednesday.

In contrast, Mr. Miller and Mr. Bloomberg meet once every two weeks, and Mr. Bloomberg has made it clear that he does not need Mr. Miller's help running the city, said people with knowledge of the men's relationship.

Although there was a glint of warming yesterday between the two men, things had not been going so well lately. There was the sting of Mr. Bloomberg's failure to act quickly on Mr. Miller's term limits amendment.

The administration's antismoking efforts were intense, even before the radio ads were announced. The health commissioner, Thomas R. Frieden, said that by his own count, he had met with at least a dozen council members. "I think people do understand that secondhand smoke kills," Dr. Frieden said. "I think people do understand that passing this legislation will save lives."

Even though many council members are convinced by the health argument, they have other concerns. "I have enough of a libertarian streak to think there are some limits to how much we should save people from their own vices," said Councilman David Yassky of Brooklyn, who is also worried about the effect on Williamsburg, home to many bars.

Councilman John Liu of Queens remained noncommittal, but said that the law could have a disproportionate impact on immigrant communities where the restaurants tend to be smaller.

Even some of those who have signed onto the bill expect that it will not pass exactly as written. "On the surface I think it's a good idea," said Councilman Jose Serrano of the Bronx. "It may go too far on certain issues," he continued. "It has to be subject to the long process of all of the hearings and negotiations on it."


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Culture/Society; Government; US: New York
KEYWORDS: antismokers; butts; cigarettes; individualliberty; michaeldobbs; niconazis; prohibitionists; pufflist; smokingbans; taxes; tobacco
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1 posted on 10/03/2002 9:31:09 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: *puff_list; Just another Joe; Great Dane; Max McGarrity; Tumbleweed_Connection; maxwell; ...
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2 posted on 10/03/2002 9:33:11 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: SheLion
"I think people do understand that secondhand smoke kills," Dr. Frieden said.

Maybe that's because, it doesn't.

3 posted on 10/03/2002 9:43:05 AM PDT by Just another Joe
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To: Just another Joe
Maybe that's because, it doesn't.

Friedman.......the man who didn't take the word of the Federal Court OR the ORNL Government Lab! He had to write his OWN 18 page report on second hand smoke.

What a putz!

4 posted on 10/03/2002 10:01:02 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: SheLion
What a putz!

My goodness!!! I thought only us girls from Brooklyn used that expression!!!!

5 posted on 10/03/2002 10:35:11 AM PDT by Gabz
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To: SheLion
Send Gifford Miller the stuff about ORNL study, The EPA court decision and the Congressional Reasearch study.

This is the only email I could find for the NYCC:

feedback@council.nyc.ny.us

6 posted on 10/03/2002 10:55:15 AM PDT by metesky
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To: SheLion
miller@council.nyc.ny.us
7 posted on 10/03/2002 10:58:38 AM PDT by metesky
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To: Gabz
Mr. Bloomberg said: "I don't know what legislative agenda you're talking about. If you mean saving people's lives, that is the Health Department's purpose. That's why they're there."

And does anyone blieve that he doesn't have a legislative agenda? jerk.

8 posted on 10/03/2002 11:03:57 AM PDT by RikaStrom
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To: Gabz
My goodness!!! I thought only us girls from Brooklyn used that expression!!!!

hehe!

9 posted on 10/03/2002 4:32:33 PM PDT by SheLion
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To: metesky
THANK you metesky. I sure will. And thanks for the other email addy as well!!!
10 posted on 10/03/2002 4:33:28 PM PDT by SheLion
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To: RikaStrom
"He's a true believer and can't recognize that many people, for valid reasons, might not be."

It's the "true believers" that are going to bring down the entire anti-smoker cartel. And I can't wait to watch the crash!!!!

11 posted on 10/03/2002 4:34:10 PM PDT by Gabz
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To: SheLion
LOL!!!!

It takes a lot of chutzpah for a non Jewish, non NY gal to use any of those phrases.

But you could not have described him any better!!!!

12 posted on 10/03/2002 4:39:42 PM PDT by Gabz
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To: Gabz
But you could not have described him any better!!!!

I have NO idea where I picked that word up. But I have used it a long time. I used to hang out with Jewish gals, so maybe that's where I got it. LOL

13 posted on 10/03/2002 5:36:04 PM PDT by SheLion
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To: metesky
Thanks for posting Mr. Miller's e-mail. I have written, telling him that if this passes, I will never spend so much as the cost of a lousy cup of coffee in New York ever again. And I mean it, too.

Regards,
14 posted on 10/03/2002 6:31:58 PM PDT by VermiciousKnid
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To: VermiciousKnid
LOng time no see, my FRiend!!!

I as born and raised in NYC and this makes me absolutely ill - I will not be going back anytime soon.

15 posted on 10/03/2002 6:45:05 PM PDT by Gabz
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To: SheLion
One more bingo hall closed today, one more bar on the way out, 12 more establishments on the rope.
16 posted on 10/03/2002 6:47:34 PM PDT by Great Dane
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To: SheLion
Calgary, decided to let owners choose to be smoking or non-smoking, must post sign, not perfect but better than most, their reason for going this route, they have seen what occured in Ottawa, at least someone is learning a lesson now and then.
17 posted on 10/03/2002 6:50:44 PM PDT by Great Dane
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To: VermiciousKnid
Thanks for posting Mr. Miller's e-mail. I have written, telling him that if this passes, I will never spend so much as the cost of a lousy cup of coffee in New York ever again. And I mean it, too.

LOL, We haven't been to a bar or restaurant in our town since the ban August a year ago, and we let the Council know.

18 posted on 10/03/2002 6:58:19 PM PDT by Great Dane
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To: Great Dane
Calgary, decided to let owners choose to be smoking or non-smoking, must post sign,...

That's all we're asking, and there will be peace in our time!

19 posted on 10/03/2002 8:08:48 PM PDT by I'm_With_Orwell
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To: I'm_With_Orwell; *all
One lady said the following. I couldn't have said it better myself:

"Bloomberg has no heart. Not only he is picking on a vulnerable few smokers, he's also picking on vulnerable dogs.

I have in hand a copy of the New York Daily News (9-27-02) and the front page says it all. In order to reduce spending, Bloomberg wants to do away with all-night shelters that rescue dogs.

The headline reads: "Bloomberg to city strays: Tough luck." It shows a photograph of a precious dog with the caption "Say it ain't so, Mayor Mike . . . no money for all-night shelters to rescue dogs."

It's one thing what he wants to do to smokers but to think he wants also to do away with stray dogs is unthinkable.

In my book he is despicable."

20 posted on 10/03/2002 10:33:08 PM PDT by SheLion
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